Talvas · ◉ direct ancestor
♀Ela Talvas
Dates not yet known.
Ela Talvas (died December 1174) was a daughter of the Count of Alençon and Ponthieu who was the wife first of William de Warenne, Earl of Surrey, and then of Patrick, Earl of Salisbury; both of her husbands died by violence. She was the twenty-fifth great-grandmother of Nancy Jane Blanchard (1929–2006), through her daughter Isabel de Warenne.
Countess of Surrey
Ela was a daughter of William Talvas, Count of Alençon and PonthieuW, and of his wife Ela, a daughter of Odo, Duke of BurgundyW. William de Warenne and Ela Talvas were married before 1143. Their daughter Isabel de Warenne was his sole heir.
William went on the Second CrusadeW under Louis VII of France and was killed by the Turks in the passes near Laodicea on 19 January 1147/8, leaving no son. Isabel, the heiress of the Warenne earls, carried the title to each of her two husbands, a son of King Stephen and then a half-brother of King Henry II, and each was recognized as Earl Warenne through her.
Countess of Salisbury
As a widow Ela married, as his second wife, Patrick, Earl of SalisburyW, who served Henry II as captain general of his forces in Aquitaine. Their son William, born about 1150, succeeded his father as Earl of SalisburyW. Patrick was killed by Guy de Lusignan on 27 March 1167/8, on his way home from a pilgrimage to Galicia in Spain, and was buried in the abbey of Saint-Hilaire at Poitiers. Ela outlived him by six years and died in December 1174.
Notes
Sources
Ela’s parentage, her marriage to William de Warenne before 1143, his crusade and death, Isabel’s place as “da. and sole heir”, and Ela’s second marriage are given in the first edition of the Complete Peerage (vol. 7, 1896, under Surrey, p. 326). Patrick’s offices, his death at the hands of Guy de Lusignan, his burial at Poitiers, and their son William, “s. and h. by second wife”, born about 1150, are in the same volume under Salisbury (p. 30). These are compiled peerage accounts, not records of the time.
Her death
The Complete Peerage gives two dates for her death: “4 or 10 Dec. 1174” under Surrey (p. 326), and 10 December 1174 under Salisbury (p. 30).
The descent through John Washburn
The line from Ela to Nancy Jane Blanchard runs through her daughter Isabel and her descendants to John Washburn of Bengeworth, who died in 1547. That the John Washburn of the pedigrees was this man is the identification of the Washbournes’ historian, James Davenport, not a record’s, so the descent through him is probable.
Family time line
Recorded events
| Event | When | Where | Evidence ?on record - the record itself, its image, or a transcript or printed copy of it has been read from a compiled source - an index, a printed genealogy or a memorial page says so not yet documented - in the family record, no source attached yet |
|---|---|---|---|
| Living at born at Ponthieu, France 1120 per WikiTree API getProfile Talvas-54 (appId=DelahorneGenealogy). The bio has no birth sentence, per WikiTree Talvas-54, NO EVIDENCE YET |
1120 | Ponthieu, France | from a compiled source |
| Title (Nobility) Countess of Surrey (wife of William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey) (Complete Peerage, 1st ed., vol. VII SURREY p.326) |
from a compiled source |
Sources
- WikiTree (wikitree.com) member tree - finding aid only, NO EVIDENCE YET (owner rule s1211) — Living at, about this person
- Cokayne, G. E., Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, 1st ed., vol. 7 (London: George Bell & Sons, 1896) — Title (Nobility), about this person, family with William de Warenne
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Line of descent
- William Talvas
- Ela of Burgundy
- Odo of Burgundy
- not yet known