de Say · ◉ direct ancestor
♂William de Say
Died 1144.
William de Say (died August 1144) was a warrior of King Stephen’s reign and the second husband of Beatrice de Mandeville, the only sister of Geoffrey de MandevilleW, first Earl of Essex. He was the twenty-fifth great-grandfather of Nancy Jane Blanchard (1929–2006), through his son William de Say (died 1177).
Marriage
Beatrice had first been married in Normandy to Hugh Talebot, and the marriage ended in divorce. Her brother Geoffrey then brought her to England and married her to William de Say, whom the chronicle of Walden AbbeyW calls “ferocis animi viro et bellicoso”, a man of fierce and warlike spirit. Beatrice and William had two sons, William de Say (died 1177) and Geoffrey de Say.
Death at Burwell
In the autumn of 1143 Earl Geoffrey was arrested at St. Albans and made to surrender his castles, and he broke into open revolt against King StephenW, sacking Cambridge and ravaging the fen country. In August 1144 he laid siege to Burwell CastleW in Cambridgeshire, and there, having taken off his helmet in the heat, he was mortally wounded by an arrow. William de Say was killed at the same siege. As a widow, Beatrice made gifts to Walden Abbey for the souls of her brother, of “Willelmi de Say sponsi mei”, William de Say her husband, and of their son William.
Notes
Sources
William’s marriage, his death at Burwell and his sons are from the Complete Peerage (2nd ed., vol. 5, 1926, pp. 116 and 120–121, under Essex), which cites the chronicles of Walden and Ramsey and Beatrice’s charters in the cartulary of Walden Abbey. The account of Earl Geoffrey’s revolt and death is from the same work, p. 116. The Complete Peerage does not say on which side William fought at Burwell.
The descent through John Washburn
That the John whom the pedigrees give as a son of Joyce Botetourt’s great-granddaughter Joan Mitton was John Washburn of Bengeworth, who died in 1547, is the identification of the Washbournes’ historian, James Davenport, not a record’s, so the descent through him is probable.
Family time line
Parents not yet found. This line is still being traced.
Recorded events
| Event | When | Where | Evidence ?on record - the record itself, its image, or a transcript or printed copy of it has been read from a compiled source - an index, a printed genealogy or a memorial page says so not yet documented - in the family record, no source attached yet |
|---|---|---|---|
| Death slain at the siege of Burwell Castle (CP v p.121) |
Aug 1144 | from a compiled source |
Sources
- Cokayne, G. E., The Complete Peerage, new ed., ed. Vicary Gibbs et al., vol. 5 (London: St Catherine Press, 1926) — Death, about this person, family with Beatrice de Mandeville