Thorne · ◉ direct ancestor
♂William Thorne
Born 1485. Died before 1537.
William Thorne (died before 1537) was a landholder at Yardley Hastings in Northamptonshire, England, who in his will asked to be buried in the parish church “before the rood”W and left his lands in Yardley and Syresham to his son Thomas. He was the twelfth great-grandfather of Nancy Jane Blanchard (1929–2006) by two separate lines of descent, both through his son Thomas Thorne (died 1588).
Yardley Hastings
William held land at Yardley Hastings, some of it as copyhold, and more at Syresham and elsewhere. In 1531 he is said to have been patron of the living at Yardley Hastings, the holder of the advowsonW, which gave him the right to present the parson of the parish church.
His wife was Alice, written Alys in his will. They had at least three children: Thomas, who inherited most of the land; George, the youngest son; and a daughter whose name, beginning with M, is lost where the page is torn.
Will and death
William is said to have made his will on 8 March 1528/29, though Talcott’s printed abstract dates it 8 March 1537. He asked to be buried “before the rood”, the great crucifix that stood at the entrance to the chancel. He left certain lands to his wife Alys and made her his executrix. To his son Thomas he left “all my other lands, my copyhold in Yardley, and also in Syersham and other places”; George received £10 and the daughter 20 shillings in Talcott’s abstract; Brandon Fradd’s 2005 abstract gives George £10 from each of his mother and brother, with livestock, and the daughter fifteen marks at her marriage. The witnesses were his brother Nicholas Thorne and Thomas Smyth, the parson of Yardley. A compiled genealogy gives his death as before 1537; no record of the death itself is known.
The Syresham land ties the will to the next generation. Some sixty years later, in 1588, Thomas Thorne of Yardley Hastings left his own wife £10 out of the manor of Syresham. Through Thomas, William was the great-grandfather of Thomas DudleyW, later deputy governor and governor of the Massachusetts Bay ColonyW, the son of Thomas’s daughter Susanna.
Lines of descent
Both lines run through his son Thomas Thorne, Thomas’s daughter Susanna Thorne and her son Thomas Dudley (1576–1653). They part below Thomas Dudley’s son Samuel Dudley and meet again in Sarah Dudley (1795–1839), whose parents, Nathaniel Dudley (1763–1844) and Anna Smith (1764–1825), both descend from William.
Notes
The will
The will is known from an abstract printed by Mary Kingsbury Talcott in “The Maternal Ancestry of Governor Thomas Dudley”, New England Historical and Genealogical Register 66 (1912), pp. 342–343, who introduces him as “A William Thorne of Yardley Hastings”. Every detail of the will above comes from that abstract except its date and the sums for George and the daughter, which Fradd’s abstract gives differently. Brandon Fradd, “Ancestry of Thomas Thorne, Grandfather of Thomas Dudley”, The Genealogist 19 (2005), p. 127, dates the will 8 March 1528/29 and notes that no probate is recorded; Talcott dated it 8 March 1537. The patronage of 1531 is credited to John Bridges’s history of Northamptonshire.
Father of Thomas Thorne
The link between William and Thomas Thorne (died 1588) rests on the will’s own words, as Fradd’s printed abstract gives them: William leaves his lands to “my son Thomas Thorne my heir” (The Genealogist 19 (2005), p. 127). Online family trees cite Brandon Fradd, “Ancestry of Thomas Thorne, Grandfather of Thomas Dudley”, The Genealogist 19 (2005), pp. 112–128, for William as Thomas’s father.
Alice’s surname
The will gives only her first name. The surname Stotesbury is Fradd’s inference, not a record: he takes the bequest to the “sister Thorne” in the 1557 will of Thomas Stutysbury of Sulgrave as pointing to Alice (The Genealogist 19 (2005), p. 122). The Stotesbury of Evenley pedigree in the heralds’ visitation of Oxfordshire (Harleian Society vol. 5, p. 206) names no Alice married to a Thorne.
His parents
The same visitation, under Arden of Cottisford (p. 207), records that Alice, daughter of William Arden of Cottisford and Agnes Stotesby of Evenley, “maryed Thomas Dorne al’s Thorne of Northamptonshire”. Online family trees make Thomas and Alice William’s parents, but the pedigree names none of their children, and no record yet joins William to them.
Dates
No record gives his birth. Family trees give a birth in 1485 at Syresham and a death on 8 March 1537, the date of the will. Fradd estimates his birth at about 1487 (The Genealogist 19 (2005), p. 119). Fradd gives the death as before 1537 (The Genealogist 19 (2005), pp. 119–120), and also lists him as owing suit at Syresham on 22 May 1537 (p. 120).
Family time line
Recorded events
| Event | When | Where | Evidence ?on record - the record itself, its image, or a transcript or printed copy of it has been read from a compiled source - an index, a printed genealogy or a memorial page says so not yet documented - in the family record, no source attached yet |
|---|---|---|---|
| Birth place per WikiTree: Syresham, Northamptonshire, England; per WikiTree Thorne-111, NO EVIDENCE YET |
1485 | not yet documented | |
| Will names wife Alice (executrix, jointure), 'my son Thomas Thorne my heir', younger son George, daughter M, brother Nicholas - abstract in Fradd, The Genealogist 19 (2005):127 ('dated 8 March 1528: no probate recorded'); Talcott, NEHGR 66:342-343 dated it 8 Mar 1537 |
8 Mar 1528/29 | Yardley Hastings, Northamptonshire, England | from a compiled source |
| Death d. before 1537 per Fradd, The Genealogist 19 (2005):119 (he is listed as owing suit at Syresham 22 May 1537, p.120); the former 8 Mar 1537 was the will date as Talcott gave it. place per WikiTree Thorne-111: Yardley-Hastings, Northamptonshire, England |
bef 1537 | from a compiled source |
Sources
- Talcott, Mary Kingsbury. "The Maternal Ancestry of Governor Thomas Dudley." New England Historical and Genealogical Register 66 (1912): 340-343 — Will, about this person, family with Alice Stotesbury
- Fradd, Brandon, "Ancestry of Thomas Thorne, Grandfather of Thomas Dudley", The Genealogist 19 (2005):112-128 — Will, Death, about this person, family with Alice Stotesbury
- WikiTree (wikitree.com) member tree - finding aid only, NO EVIDENCE YET (owner rule s1211) — about this person
Borders as they stood about 1500 (they follow the event under the mouse), from the historical-basemaps project, the Newberry Library's Atlas of Historical County Boundaries (states and territories, 1783 on) and Natural Earth; the colonies and provinces are drawn along today's lines.
Line of descent
- Thomas Thorne –bef 1502
- Edmund Thorne –bef 1477
- Margaret Billing
- Thomas Billing
- Katherine Gifford abt 1399–
- Roger Gifford abt 1367–1409
- Thomas Gifford abt 1345–1394
- John Gifford –1369
- John Gifford abt 1270–aft 1328
- Alexandra Gardinis –bef 1328
- Lucy Morteyn
- John Gifford –1369
- Elizabeth Missenden
- Thomas Gifford abt 1345–1394
- Elizabeth Seyton
- John Seyton
- not yet known
- Roger Gifford abt 1367–1409
- Alice Arden
- William Arden
- Robert Arden
- not yet known
- Agnes Stotesby
- William Arden
Descendants
- Thomas Thorne –1588
- Anna Thorne 1550–
- Katherine Thorne 1551–
- Arthur Thorne 1552–
- William Thorne 1558–
- Susanna Thorne 1559–
- Thomas Dudley 1576–1653
- Thomas Dudley abt 1605–
- Samuel Dudley abt 1608–1683
- Anne Dudley abt 1612–1672
- Sarah Dudley 1620–1659
- Mercy Dudley 1621–1691
- Patience Dudley –1690
- Deborah Dudley 1645–
- Joseph Dudley 1647–
- Paul Dudley 1650–
- Mary Dudley 1580–
- Thomas Dudley 1576–1653
- Robert Thorne 1560–
- Isabel Thorne 1561–
- Edward Thorne
- George Thorne